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  Do JW beliefs deserve respect?

  by azor in

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  what say you?

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  Islam is a religion of peace (2)

  by Coded Logic in

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  in behalf of the horrific events of saturday night, i just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that islam is a religion of peace.

  it doesn’t matter that the quran explicitly says that homosexuals should be stoned to death (7:84) - it’s still a religion of peace.

  and it doesn’t matter that the scriptures say that all gay men should be killed (sunan 1:152) - islam doesn’t in anyway condone violence.. it doesn’t matter that every mainstream imam calls homosexuality a sin "worse the adultery" - it’s not a religion of bigotry.. it doesn’t matter that 61% of muslims in the uk think gay acts should be made illegal - islam has nothing against the gay community.. it doesn’t matter that countries with sharia law actively persecute the lgbt community - islam is all about peace and love.

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  Scholars also, after in depth research, do not think Islam is responsible for any more violence than other religions/cultures/ states.
  - Ruby456

  If we're going to have a productive conversation I'm going to have to insist you be a little more disciplined in the use of your terms.

  We're discussing the fact that the behavior of a jihadist in gay bars in the US or newspapers in France is not that far removed from what orthodox Muslims advocate and practice in many parts of the world. Killing homosexuals and murdering infidels is the norm. And if you're just going to redefine the word "violence" so that anything that is sanctioned by the state is swept under the rug we're not going to be able to have a meaningful discussion here.
  

  Muslims are motivated by their religion to kill people who don't follow their religion. And they have brutal punishments for petty crimes - like chopping off the hands of shoplifters.

  Under your use of the term we could say that crime was very low under the Third Reich - as it is under most brutal authoritarian governments. But that doesn't mean that it was a good system of government. Or that the people who are advocating these barbaric punishments are somehow behaving in ways that are "less violent".
  
  
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  Protest

  by Coded Logic in

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  had a great turn out today protesting against the baptist minister who praised the orlando massacre.

  my best guess is there were around 1,200 of us there.

  it was an entirely peaceful protest as we chanted "love conquers hate" and "we are orlando".

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  Had a great turn out today protesting against the Baptist Minister who praised the Orlando massacre. My best guess is there were around 1,200 of us there. It was an entirely peaceful protest as we chanted "Love conquers hate" and "We are Orlando". We also took a moment to read aloud the names of all forty nine victims. To hear their names carried in unison by a thousand voices was a really powerful and somber moment.

  I also want to give a shout out to the neighboring North City Church who not only came out and protested with us but also opened up their church doors to anyone who wanted water or needed to use the restroom. I'll post a picture of me holding my sign and also a shot in which I tried to get the scale of how many of us there were but we circled 2/3rds of the building so it's hard to show.

  

  

  Stanley Almodovar III (23 years old), Amanda Alvear (25 years old), Oscar A Aracena-Montero (26 years old), Rodolfo Ayala-Ayala (33 years old), Antonio Davon Brown (29 years old, Darryl Roman Burt II (29 years old), Angel L. Candelario-Padro (28 years old), Juan Chevez-Martinez (25 years old), Luis Daniel Conde (39 years old), Cory James Connell,(21 years old), Tevin Eugene Crosby (25 years old), Deonka Deidra Drayton (32 years old), Simon Adrian Carrillo Fernandez (31 years old), Leroy Valentin Fernandez (25 years old), Mercedez Marisol Flores (26 years old), Peter O. Gonzalez-Cruz (22 years old), Juan Ramon Guerrero (22 years old), Paul Terrell Henry (41 years old), Frank Hernandez (27 years old), Miguel Angel Honorato (30 years old), Javier Jorge-Reyes (40 years old), Jason Benjamin Josaphat (19 years old), Eddie Jamoldroy Justice (30 years old), Anthony Luis Laureanodisla (25 years old), Christopher Andrew Leinonen (32 years old), Alejandro Barrios Martinez (21 years old), Brenda Lee Marquez McCool (49 years old), Gilberto Ramon Silva Menendez (25 years old), Kimberly Morris (37 years old), Akyra Monet Murray (18 years old), Luis Omar Ocasio-Capo (20 years old), Geraldo A. Ortiz-Jimenez (25 years old) Eric Ivan Ortiz-Rivera (36 years old), Joel Rayon Paniagua (32 years old), Jean Carlos Mendez Perez (35 years old), Enrique L. Rios, Jr. (25 years old), Jean C. Nives Rodriguez (27 years old), Xavier Emmanuel Serrano Rosado (35 years old), Christopher Joseph Sanfeliz (24 years old), Yilmary Rodriguez Solivan (24 years old), Edward Sotomayor Jr. (34 years old), Shane Evan Tomlinson (33 years old), Martin Benitez Torres (33 years old), Jonathan Antonio Camuy Vega (24 years old), Juan P. Rivera Velazquez (37 years old), Luis S. Vielma (22 years old), Franky Jimmy Dejesus Velazquez (50 years old), Luis Daniel Wilson-Leon (37 years old), Jerald Arthur Wright (31 years old).

  Every single one of them too young to die
  
  
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  Writing Department Interview on "The Generation."

  by cappytan in

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  a member of the writing department was gracious enough to allow me to interview him about the "overlapping generation" doctrine.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eo1o5qmagu.

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  Islam is a religion of peace (2)

  by Coded Logic in

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  in behalf of the horrific events of saturday night, i just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that islam is a religion of peace.

  it doesn’t matter that the quran explicitly says that homosexuals should be stoned to death (7:84) - it’s still a religion of peace.

  and it doesn’t matter that the scriptures say that all gay men should be killed (sunan 1:152) - islam doesn’t in anyway condone violence.. it doesn’t matter that every mainstream imam calls homosexuality a sin "worse the adultery" - it’s not a religion of bigotry.. it doesn’t matter that 61% of muslims in the uk think gay acts should be made illegal - islam has nothing against the gay community.. it doesn’t matter that countries with sharia law actively persecute the lgbt community - islam is all about peace and love.

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  It is useless to conflate all Islam and Jihadi wolves. there are over 1 and a half billion muslims in the world and even if you say that Islam itself is not a religion of peace and that it is a religion of bigotry and violence then you need to ask why has this not influenced those millions to do the same.
  -Ruby456

  Well that's just the problem isn't it? It DOES influence millions to do the same. A gunman kills forty-nine people in a a gay club and it's an act of terror. But in Saudi Arabia homosexuals are killed in full public view - and it's an act of "justice". Or a gunman kills the entire staff of Charlie Hebdo because they insulted the profit and everybody in the Western World loses their minds. But when ex-Muslims are regularly killed in Indonesia for simply converting to Christianity - nobody even notices.

  Muslims regularly threaten to kill - and actually do kill - anyone who doesn't act in accordance with THEIR beliefs. Fathers carry out honor killings against their "impure" daughters. Whole towns stone unfaithful women to death. Dozens of countries imprison or outright kill homosexuals and apostates are decapitated and their heads displayed for everyone to see. "Terrorists" are a fraction of the problem. If you want to see the true horrors of Islam look at the dozens of countries that have Sharia Law. Or look at secular countries with newly established Muslim communities.

  EVEN Sweden is having a problem with this!

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jpuXJPk0w

  
  
  

  I am glad that in the US the vast majority of Muslims have integrated into Western Society and view these things as barbaric. But this is the exception - not the rule. Mainstream Islam is not nearly so tolerant.

  
  
  
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  Islam is a religion of peace (2)

  by Coded Logic in

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  in behalf of the horrific events of saturday night, i just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that islam is a religion of peace.

  it doesn’t matter that the quran explicitly says that homosexuals should be stoned to death (7:84) - it’s still a religion of peace.

  and it doesn’t matter that the scriptures say that all gay men should be killed (sunan 1:152) - islam doesn’t in anyway condone violence.. it doesn’t matter that every mainstream imam calls homosexuality a sin "worse the adultery" - it’s not a religion of bigotry.. it doesn’t matter that 61% of muslims in the uk think gay acts should be made illegal - islam has nothing against the gay community.. it doesn’t matter that countries with sharia law actively persecute the lgbt community - islam is all about peace and love.

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  I have friends in the gay community that are from Pakistan and Syria. Both have been here for just over a year and both of them have had no trouble integrating into Western Society or even gay culture.

  However, I do have friends that are practicing Christians, Hindus, and Jews and all them have difficulty reconciling their religion with their lives. It's not an ethnic problem. It's a religious one.
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  Islam is a religion of peace (2)

  by Coded Logic in

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  in behalf of the horrific events of saturday night, i just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that islam is a religion of peace.

  it doesn’t matter that the quran explicitly says that homosexuals should be stoned to death (7:84) - it’s still a religion of peace.

  and it doesn’t matter that the scriptures say that all gay men should be killed (sunan 1:152) - islam doesn’t in anyway condone violence.. it doesn’t matter that every mainstream imam calls homosexuality a sin "worse the adultery" - it’s not a religion of bigotry.. it doesn’t matter that 61% of muslims in the uk think gay acts should be made illegal - islam has nothing against the gay community.. it doesn’t matter that countries with sharia law actively persecute the lgbt community - islam is all about peace and love.

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  "Muslim" is not an ethnicity.
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  Islam is a religion of peace (2)

  by Coded Logic in

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  in behalf of the horrific events of saturday night, i just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that islam is a religion of peace.

  it doesn’t matter that the quran explicitly says that homosexuals should be stoned to death (7:84) - it’s still a religion of peace.

  and it doesn’t matter that the scriptures say that all gay men should be killed (sunan 1:152) - islam doesn’t in anyway condone violence.. it doesn’t matter that every mainstream imam calls homosexuality a sin "worse the adultery" - it’s not a religion of bigotry.. it doesn’t matter that 61% of muslims in the uk think gay acts should be made illegal - islam has nothing against the gay community.. it doesn’t matter that countries with sharia law actively persecute the lgbt community - islam is all about peace and love.

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  I can't help but feel sorry for Momin Rahman and his undisciplined thinking. The idea that people are centralizing their identity around the teachings of a seventh century war lord is not something to be proud of or take comfort in.

  There are plenty of things worth believing in. And there are nearly an infinite number of worthwhile pursuits. But the supernatural and the occult are not among them.

  To think that people need religion to have a cultural or social identity is not only wrong - it's dangerous. Meaning is not something that can be handed out to the masses or pushed upon us from the pulpit. The spiritual part of our human existence is our private journey as we figure out who we are and what sort of person we want to be. The examined life.

  Far too many people forsake the precious gems of intellectual honesty because they're distracted by the fools gold of simplicity and the false promise of certainty.
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  Love is Greater than Hate

  by Coded Logic in

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  this week has been a really difficult past couple of days.

  waking up to the news on sunday that some jihadist jackass had slaughtered so many of my lgbt brothers and sisters left me reeling and in tears.

  we're a community with common cause and a common struggle and it's immensely painful to see the loss of so many young and beautiful lives.

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  I hope some of the members do start questioning the hate they're hearing from the pulpit. As the service was starting we saw a lot of kids and teens being taken inside. Really sad :(
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  Love is Greater than Hate

  by Coded Logic in

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  this week has been a really difficult past couple of days.

  waking up to the news on sunday that some jihadist jackass had slaughtered so many of my lgbt brothers and sisters left me reeling and in tears.

  we're a community with common cause and a common struggle and it's immensely painful to see the loss of so many young and beautiful lives.

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  This week has been a really difficult past couple of days. Waking up to the news on Sunday that some jihadist jackass had slaughtered so many of my LGBT brothers and sisters left me reeling and in tears. We're a community with common cause and a common struggle and it's immensely painful to see the loss of so many young and beautiful lives.

  
  

  I think this kind of solidarity is something everyone understands - gay or straight. But something many straight people might not have consider is the importance of having gay clubs in our communities. For many of us, it’s the only place we feel that we can really be ourselves. It’s the only place where we can hold hands or kiss our partner without getting fifty sideways looks or hearing whispers. It’s the only place where we can give a compliment to someone we find attractive without worrying about getting punched in the face. And for those like me who grew up in a deeply homophobic religion - it was the first place we ever found people who accepted us . . . for us.

  
  

  To call a gay club a “sanctuary” is not a hyperbole. It’s so much more than a dance club or a singles club or a place to relax and drink a beer. It’s also a home of acceptance. A fortress of tolerance. And a beacon hope. It's the idea that when you come here you don't have to worry about the discomfort of phobia of others. You can just be . . . you. No act. No pretense. No hiding. And that’s what makes the terrorizing events of Sunday morning just that much more horrific. Because - in the one place where we thought it was safe to be ourselves - someone visited upon us the worst shooting in US history.

  
  

  That night here in Sacramento we held a vigil for those who were injured and for those who died. I didn’t know how but I hoped we would begin to heal and find a way to regain some semblance of safety . . .

  
  

  (me on the left)

  
  

  
  

  . . . and then I heard the rant yesterday by Pastor Roger Jimenez about how, “The real tragedy is more of them didn’t die.”

  
  

  What a hate filled religious little troll I thought to myself. He’s probably some nobody with a congregation of like ten people in the backwaters of Missouri or Alabama or something . . . (Google) . . . wtf? - he lives here in Sacramento? . . . wtf! His church is right up the street from me? . . . WTF! His congregation is standing by what he said and he’s holding a sermon on the topic tonight!!!!!

  
  

  It was short notice but at least a hundred of us showed up and protested out in front of the church. We chanted, “Se-pa-rate church-and-hate” and “We are one pulse” (after the name of the club). We sang songs about love. And we held hands and read allowed the names of the forty-nine victims.

  
  

  It was nice to see so many Christians there supporting the LGBT community and saying they don’t condone hate. The religion, as a whole, has come a long ways. I know there’s still a lot of bad ideas and intolerance but I genuinely do hope they continue their trend of moving towards humanist values.

  
  

  On Sunday we’re going to protest again. But as we actually have time to organize and it’s on a weekend our group will be a lot larger. Already 800 people have signed up to come. And if any of you are in the area and want to speak out against hate I hope you will come too. We're all still hurting and your moral support would be much appreciated.

  For everyone else on this forum, I’ll try to keep you posted and let you know how it goes And please never be a spectator to intolerance or bigotry. Speak up. Speak out. It may not change the behavior of aggressor but it means the world to those who are marginalized when they realize they're not fighting alone.